Another execution in the streets- Yakima
Topic: General politics
Last night the TC media were all abuzz of Yakima Police killing a man in Yak. Curious the Herald claims hes a "felon' WITHOUT using their favorite word "ALLEGED"
They (TC Media) use "alleged" when its a MEXICAN.
ALLEGEDLY the man had a knife and ALLEGEDLY he was attacking a PD. The PD shot him in the head. couldnt WOUND him?
Repeat felon, and cops just decided to "dispense justice in the streets?" Taking it upon themselves to eliminate a repeat offender?
YOUR LEGAL JUSTICE SYSTEM DOES NOT ALLOW THAT
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I checked RCW (law in this state) - nothing in there about assault with a knife that warrants EXECUTION IN THE STREETS. In FACT, there is NO crime with an instant death penalty in WA State.
The operative legal phrase is DUE PROCESS OF LAW.
When will the Washington state Legislature put a stop to this?
This reminds me of the Native American in Seattle last year (?) who was MURDERED for posession a (closed, was it?) KNIFE. I predicted violence after that, it happened.
Theres too much of this going on.
Anyone recall recently the man holding a GARDEN HOSE SPRAYER who was EXECUTED in his own back yard because a neighbor lodged a false and misleading complaint?
I do. I read it. Seattle, was it?
Bring a gun to a knife fight? I was trained, myself, to deal with such
threats. Lots of people are. Theres a troubling trend in WA State, and
the US in general, of cops blowing away Citizens with threat not in
response to threat. especially when its multiple cops responding. TWO TO FIVE TRAINED, PHYSICALLY FIT AND BETTER OUTFITTED COPS
CANT HANDLE ONE??? How many does it take?
Someone coming at me with a knife will wake up face down on the ground. Again, im TRAINED to defend myself, while respecting the LIFE of the other person. The RIGHT TO LIFE.
What someone who attacks me deserves is DUE PROCESS OF LAW. I do not summarily have the right to blow them away with a gun for assault. We have a JUDICIAL SYSTEM to deal with that.
When I WAS ASSAULTED in Kennewick, a matter the Prosecutor covered up with a flimsy excuse they could not contact me" (b___sh__ excuse, if there was a WARRANT out for me, or I owed tax money, you BET they could find me) did I kill the attacker? I could have easily done so. No, I used cool headed training to stop the attack. I calmly and collectedly CONTROLLED the situation to everyones benefit. If Id killed every man who jumped me in the past 30 years, thered be a trail of bodies...
Now, assume that someone without my training is attacked, what should their response be? Probably more stronger, they might not have any option but to use deadly force. What will Grandma at home do if attacked by a couple 20-something robbers? I trust she has a double barrel shotgun across her lap.
Point is, police are SUPPOSED to be trained to deal with such things, but it is devolving into "kill first, ask questions later." Starting to reming me of CHINA.
If a CITIZEN does this, uses excessive force -shoots a lesser armed assailant, I do not believe "getting off basically scot free' in this hysterically anti gun State is whats gonna happen. I believe WA State will attempt to throw them under the jail.
I do believe theres a double standard. I do recommend the Legislature head this off before theres a disaster, because its clear the Cities are covering it up.
Surely there were multiple Officers responding to this, since the executed man had a record, certainly they knew his address and probably anticipated some problems, Id personally go in with backup, someone with a Tazer or mace ready. Actually I wouldnt "go in" Id make sure they "came out" Worst case, tear gas would pretty much guarantee that.
But its easier to just shoot people, isnt it? That really projects force and terror on the Public to keep them in line.
Where does this race to the bottom end? Police killing a Citizen for LOOKING like they wil attack them? What is the legal standard? Next will this devolve into someone attempting to hit a cop with their fist and being blown away? Then just looking at them crosswise? When rationalizing serves in one case, its too easy to allow it to devolve into a violent melee of "no rules at all."
The root difference between my training and the Police is that cops are trained to stand in place, project authority, and kill anyone who challenges them. Two, three, five cops cant handle a man with a KNIFE without blowing his head all over the walls? Then its HIGH past time for TRAINING.
But thats damned hard work, its much easier to shoot people.
I'm not. Again, back to that trail fo bodies thing. Im not into that. I dont mind moving, I might even run back and give ground to an attacker.
The entire point of Law Enforcement is lost, our entire Legal and Justice systems circumvented when the accused is executed in the streets.
Threatened? Pull back and regroup and reinforce. I would. Dumb or unlucky enough to get trapped in a closed space with an armed attacker? Shame on you for getting in that place in the FIRST PLACE. Did that ocurr just from random bad luck? Then deal with it, its a risk that comes with the job. Call the perp out in the open, put distance between him and me, talk with him. Thats how I would handle such situations. We have lots of non-lethal ways to deal with such things. There was an incident this year on a military base where a mentally unstable man , ARMED WITH A GUN WAS TALKED DOWN.
The second problem (as if thats not enough) is that in situations like this, it ALWAYS becomes "right of the Police/State" while completely ignoring the rights of the Citizen, where, by the way, Police and State do not posess "rights" in America. In this Nation, rights belong to Citizens, not Government. The incident in every case excuses the actions of the State (police) and blindly ignores the RIGHTS of the dead man, usually attended by blind statements like "he deserved it because..." That retaliatory mentality is not acceptable under our Legal system. What is acceptable, again, is DUE PROCESS.
What ABOUT the rights of the dead man? That question is ALWAYS covered up under a veil of ad-hominem attacks.
Thats whats historically separated and elevated us from Russia, China, Cuba...
Any of you (except the psychologicaly imbalanced responders below who are participating in "change the subject, attack the victim" with a dose of Stockholm Syndrome) recall a day in the past when police would fall back, and wait out situaitons with PATIENCE? Not now, in this day and age of Jack Booted Storm Troopers.
Remember the video footage a few years ago when the Jack Boots "stormed" in an aaprtment in Miami (?) and the video showed someone (police?) with a gun and goggles seizing Elian gonzales?
Theres your flood gate being breached.
Which brings the third problem, the people who respond with the Roman Coluseum mentality (thumbs down to the Emperor to release the lions to kill the Christians) always siding with the Police and State, always with the same statement:
"he got what he deserved"
1.) That is a lie. "what he deserved" was DUE PROCESS OF LAW, not execution Cuban style. This is playing on a gang mentality, retaliatory, completely a wrong legal position, exhibiting the Stockholm Syndrome IMO (captives siding with assailants for fear of being harmed)
2.) since when are random posters on websites in posession of the sole and personal right to decide the fate of others in CONTRADICTION TO ESTABLISHED LAW? thats how things work in Communist Dictatorships. I know a first hand witness to that in Castros Cuba from the 1950s.
Youre watching too many movies. You need professional help, IMO, when you can so conveniently excuse a mans LIFE to sit back behind your keyboard and so callously take sides. Psychiatrist is what Id recommend.
Hopefully, some day, when YOU are on triel, the Jury will as conveniently excuse YOUR life away in a rage of self absorption and retaliation.
Again, my comments do not come after seeing one incident, this is becoming a PLAGUE in America.
Fourth problem, the Herald. The efforts of the Herald to demonize the deceased man are disgraceful. If his record is clean from seving time, then is is no longer a "felon." Theres no distinction made of that CRITICAL fact in the story. But its convenient to attack a dead man to attempt to justify the Polices actions.
But, no one will pay attention to my words. The State will summarily exonerate its force projectors who make it look mighty and powerful, until...
Just wait, one day this will all go bad. When it does, remember:
I TOLD YOU SO.
Im going to keep this post and when it does, ill re-post it with great sadness.
CC WA Legislature.
PS For anone who can read the WA State Constitution, my reading of the very clear provisions of Article I, Section 24 disallow City Police to have guns in the first place.
Read it....
Posted by Dave
at 4:52 PM PST
